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♪ ♪ >> i just called president obama to congratulate him. >> i congratulated him and paul ryan on a hard-fought campaign. >> i pray that the president will be successful in guiding our nation. >> we are an american family, and we rise or fall together. the task of perfecting our union moving forward. >> tonight, we are celebrating the year in the news, the winners, the losers, the person of the year. and we will hand out the donald trump award. all right, let's start with the most valuable player of 2012, alex wagner. >> in my book, it is david, you saw the beginnings, with dean, and obama. >> krystal? the most valuable player? >> probably to waiter who placed the camera at the mitt romney fundraiser and captured the 47% comments, which i think showed a lot of people their concerns about mitt romney and the fact he really was not there for all of america. that he didn't understand the problems that average americans were facing. >> let's listen to that little moment of video history. the 47%. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president, there are 47% of people who are
and failed to pass, so the large successors are not there. >> and paul ryan is another guy to watch. he is the guy who has the real support of the house conservatives and a lot of people who don't love boehner, they love paul ryan and ryan at the final minute of plan b and he was whipping for plan b and came out in support of plan b, and if paul ryan the most high profile guy who could be a consensus candidate against boehner is not even interested. >> if the president gets it through, doesn't this mean that going forward he has to negotiate with mitch mcconnell and what is the point of talking to the house republicans at this poi point? >> you to include john boehner because he is the speaker of the house, and in control of of the house, but you are making a fair point that the power of the republicans to drive the debate is being under question right now, and we are not sure how boehner can do it moving forward coming to the debt ceiling, and people will look at this experience on the fiscal cliff as an example of how john boehner may or may not drive the discussion. >> and also at th
he choose congressman paul ryan? guest: to a certain extent he was pressured into doing it by the mainstream republican establishment. i can tell you from the perspective of chicago, i was ridiculed a lot when i reported this, but they were really worried about tim pawlenty and they felt they could deliver some of those midwestern states in a way to ryan did not. ryan did not deliver his home state or even come close. towards the tail end of the campaign, he was not much of a presence. host: the announcement came at 9:00 in the morning, the last day of the olympics. why the timing? why not wait until the following week? if you're going to select congressman ryan, run on the rhine and budget. guest: they wanted to get it in before then but there was the massacre at the sikh temple. i don't know exactly what the study on why they did not wait, but i think romney saw a lot of himself in ryan. serious, cares about policy and ideas. i think he saw him as someone who could be a respectable running mate to help him politically what you could really help him. romney thought he w
. the logical successes aren't actually there. >> paul ryan is not the guy to watch, right? so paul ryan is the guy who has the real support of the house conservatives. a lot of people don't like boehner, they love paul ryan. now ryan, at the final minute, remember, he was with you for plan b. paul ryan, probably the most high profile guy, he's not running against boehner. he's not even interested. >> but robert, if the president gets this through, and i know that's a big if, doesn't this mean going forward, he just has to negotiate with mitch mcconnell? >> i mean, you always are going to have to include john boehner. he's a speaker of the house and a republican's control of the house. but i think you're making a fair point that the power to drive debate is being under-questioned right now. we're not sure how he can do it moving forward. people are going to look to this experience as how john boehner may or may not be able to drive this discussion. >> on this deal, things get thrown on to the table and then the base finds out and they get upset. what is a president's base going to get up
are having four people negotiate the budget. put it back into paul ryan's hands and let's lead. >> i heard paul ryan's name mentioned. of course, his office, don't look at us. we support boehner. but look, if there was some revolt, if this thing is real and people will start mentioning ryan and it builds and builds and builds, i mean would he be somebody who said no to that? >> i think he would say no very quick. he might have other plans perhapses in 2016 and running for speaker, win, lose or draw would be bad for all those plans. i consider are this rahmer to be a three beer rumor which is after about the third beer people like we should replace boehner and that sounds like a good idea and repeat that enough and then it becomes a rumor. look, the staff i talked to on the hill, even the members i talked to and even the members against boehner on plan b there is no true conversation to replace john boehner as speaker right now. >> laura: wouldn't that also be, chip, you you can stay on this, wouldn't that look disasterrous for republicans in the middle of the fiscal cliff thing they throw
nicky haley, hark corubio, paul ryan, pence, jeb bush and jim demint. joining >> stewe ask all of you, first all hello. >> hello. >> happy new year. we ask all of you to pick. i threw out my dozen. i asked you to pick two you will keep an extra eye on. we continue do the 2016 conversation now, but we'll do it in a few minutes. >> of my dozen which two jumped out to you. >> i'm a little nerdy, so i picked michael bennett, the colorado senator, because he's the new head of the democratic senatorial campaign committee, so he's tasked with trying to again to keep a democratic senate majority. >> he wants to be senate majority leader some day. >> they asked him two years ago. he said no he said yes this time. >> you also put mike pence up there. why mike pence? >> he spent time in congress, now the governor of indiana a guy who we underrate in terms of his influence. we've seen in places like ohio, florida, wisconsin, how governors can have influence on the conversation. pence is a conservative who is a believer. >> all right. perry? you picked two governors. >> jerry brown, really importa
. your other pick? >> paul ryan. >> yeah. >> obviously, as a democrat, somebody i'm watching for a long time. i think he came out of this race with a good reputation. and i think that, you know, he has a lot of opportunity this year. he's known as a reformer in the party. the republican party is doing a lot of introspection of what they need to do to address the changing demographics of this country and an opportunity to step up. >> how does he do it in the house? >> he is a leader in the house and known as ideological. this is an opportunity to open it up a little bit. >> kevin, you picked with the big two. >> yeah. well, i think marco rubio is one of the people i picked because i think to perry's point, people looking for a new diverse voice inside the republican party and i think whether he likes it or not, he'll be a national figure in that regard and going to sort of be emblem attic of the republicans' abilities and effort to reach out to newer audiences and they're also looking for people that are going to represent the future of the party. many conservatives will use i think marc
might have heard of. paul ryan, for instance. but there's also names i think are particularly interesting on this state level right now that have some real national potential appeal. particularly juan who is the san antonio mayor, he has been talked about as a potential national figure and has also potentially could be really elevated with a 2014 memory coming out and camilla harris, the attorney general out of california. she has some big aspirations people tell us and the democratic operatives with the eye on her noted she could be a potential eric holder, attorney general or a national political figure. >> well, you mentioned a look at the states and put my nominee in there. i have to mention it. i love when the old folks manage to stay relevant. i think this is a great story out of california. jerry brown. age 74. he's been in politics for like 50 years. his father was the governor in the '60s and he managed something incredible this year in california. ungovernable state, he went out and campaigned for a tax hike and the voters approved it and gave democrats a supermajori
wilson, and we know that and appreciate it. nick, you're going to be the next paul ryan. the guy is wicked smart. he's a problem-solver, but he is going to advance the conservative side on the fiscal side and watch this guy. he will be the next paul ryan. trey, he comes from the most conservative part of the state. he can throw a punch. but he does it in a way that his colleagues on both sides of the aisle respect him. there is no stronger voice in the house of representatives on legal issues, fast and furious, benghazi, the way you conducted yourself in front of the nation makes us all proud. jeff couldn't be here, but he has passed legislation that would make this nation energy- independent. that's pretty impressive for somebody who's been in the haas for one term and newly -- house for one term and newly elected. tom, you bring to the table problem solving. you were chairman of the county council. you understand your district has got a lot of opportunity. you're the cash cow for the state. all of us are going to myrtle beach one day. that's the american dream is to go to myrtl
show category. paul ryan's pumped and ready to go. what's with the hat there? >> and what's an awards show without this guy. he survived a really rough year and he's looking just great tonight. the evening is about to get started. so take a seat before clint eastwood yells at it. sit back and enjoy the show. without further adieu, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome your master of ceremonies and the host of "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton. >> good evening. and welcome to "the revvie awards." i'm al sharpton and the host of this evening's festivities. it's a big night and we'll be giving out awards for the high and low points of politics in 2012. to do that, we have a star-studded cast of judges. all looking very elegant this evening, i might say. let's get right to it. let's go right to the first cat goir. let's get started with the best performer in the thriller award. ri richard, who made the best political move omt year? >> can i be the simon cowell of this panel? i i i'm tempted to say the woel obama campaign. but i don't want to be, like, time person of the year, it'
it to you, but republicans have been doing that for two years now. paul ryan has been beating the drum of entitlement reform for a long time. he's been demonized, and they've been running ads of him throwing grandma off the cliff. >> when's ryan making his comeback? when does marco rubio make his comeback? when do all of these fine governors make their comeback? i mean the republicans have a pretty deep bench. >> part of the calculation that i think conservatives and republicans are missing is that in this conversation, when we talk about a balanced approach, most -- a majority of middle class people, which is why 76% of americans are for taxing the rich, most americans have seen their defined benefits go down, their pensions decrease. so from their perspective and their wages have been stagnant at the same time -- hold on. >> whose fault is that? >> people are saying, wait, i've already given, what do you mean you want to cut more from my benefits so that the wealthy -- >> i've got to get out. >> they're not cutting benefits. but, larry, it's important to point out here that boehner's
, and a red meat steak lover. and it gives him motivation. like wisconsin's paul ryan or illinois' aaron shock, but that's not the goal. >> the goal is to become healthier myself and to prove to people that this stage of life that hey, we can all do it. >> and no matter how many times he loses as a former auction near, he'll have no trouble keeping count. >> impressive. very impressive. that's trying to keep you entertained. >> billy, i'm right there with you. >> okay, just ahead, they went 0-2 today. it will be this minute. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ...two forgettable >>> a couple of bay area nfl teams, they had a quiet flight home as you must imagine. two forgettable losses for them today. kaepernick, what a difference a week makes, huh? tonight is all about the other quarterback, russell wilson, a pass and catch for the texas alum. his second touchdown of the game, marshawn lynch. 49ers were trying to get back into it, but it was picked up and returned, 90 yards for the touchdown. one of his stanford players, he did it. 21-0. second quarter. the 34th -- the 4th quarter, connecting with him for anoth
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, paul ryan. catholic sisters generated headlines on another front as well. the vatican issued a harsh rebuke of the umbrella group that represents the majority of american nuns. it accused the leadership conference of women religious of what it called "serious doctrinal problems," a charge the nuns denied. they began a time of dialogue with bishops appointed by the vatican to oversee them. meanwhile, lay catholics held a series of rallies in support of the sisters. yet another kind of nones also made news -- the "n-o-n-e-s." according to the pew research center, a record high number of americans-one in five-now describe themselves as having no religious affiliation. many of theseo-called nones held a lly whington t show their clout. but the nones are not completely secular. a new survey by pew and this program found that two-thirds of the unaffiliated say they do believe in god or a universal spirit. more than half describe themselves as "spiritual but not religious." advocates of gay marriage saw new momentum. in the november elections, three more states legalized same-sex marriage-
overtake him is paul ryan. there's really no indication that paul ryan wants to go against john boehner. in fact, from all the reporting that we've done, john boehner and paul ryan seem pretty close, even though they have differed on some things. it seems orchestrated, to be honest, and to give paul ryan potentially a chance later on maybe to be speaker when john boehner leaves. >> one more question for kristen. what happens to other issues like gun control and immigration? which one of those in particular would the president most likely top his agenda with? >> well, i think gun control right now certainly has been taking up the majority of the president's focus in light of the tragedy in connecticut, so what's interesting is several weeks ago we would have said immigration, but gun control has certainly moved up to the forefront. i think immigration is still going to be a big issue on president obama's policy agenda in the new year, but i do think gun control is going to be right up there with immigration. melissa? >> kristen, thank you. >> what do you think? >> i really think immigrat
with democrats. that's going to be interesting. and your other pick? >> paul ryan. you know, obviously, as a democrat, it's somebody i have been watching for a long time. mitt romney's running mate. i think he came out of this race with a good reputation. and i think that, you know, he has a lot of opportunities this year. he's known as a reformer in the party. the republican party is doing a lot of introspection of what they need to do to address the changing demographics in this country and he has an opportunity to really step up. >> how does he do it in the house, which is more difficult? >> he's a leader in the house and he's known as being idealogical. >> kevin, you picked -- you got the big two. >> marco rubio is one of the people i picked because i think, to perry's point, people are looking for new diverse voices inside the republican party. i think whether he likes it or not, marco rubio is going to become a national figure in that regard and he's going to sort of be emblematic of the republicans' abilities and their effort to reach out to newer audiences. and they're also loo
to love that, right? >> what's up gangsters? >> the next president of the united states, paul ryan. >> my veins run with cheese, bratwurst, a little spotted cow, leinie's. >> we will have the first permanent base on the moon. >> any old girlfriends here? >> maybe i should just do all the talking. >> i love you, ladies and women. >> i love you, women. >> binders full of women. >> today has been awesome, girl. >> whoa. >> i hope i am the tim tebow of the iowa caucuses. >> it's bull [ bleep ]. come on, man. >> okay, libya. >> come on, man. >> becky-stan. >> do you think reverend wright is off limits in this campaign? >> it's called romnesia. >> worst republican to put up against barack obama. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> oops. >> i can't be perfect. >> we don't need a ma'amby pamby leader. >> pumping a little iron. >> i got bit by a penguin. >> those small animals can be fer row shis. >> the naacp invites me, i'll go to their convention. >> i prepared a small chart here. >> arithmetic. >> it would take me too long to go through the math. >> stupid people are ruining america.
john boehner is a paul ryan, and really he hasn't expressed interest. >> going on to say we have a republican party today willing to eliminate any prospect for decent future for anyone including itself. if it cannot abe future that is 100% in accordance with its core beliefs and principles that's not governing. that's lobbing hand grenades. if you are only stabbeding on principle to appear taller, then you appear smaller, and the gop is shrinking daily before our eyes. if leadership casting vision, calling all your people to rise up, and we just watched what happened with lan b and speaker boehner trying to call his people to rise up, and you say his leadership really not in question unless paul ryan really wants it. do you think that people having these types of perspectives, like a mark mckinnan, that doesn't really ring true coming into the new year for speaker boehner. >> look, the problem for republicans and for moderate republicans like mark mckinnan is most of the people in the house are not of the mark mckinnan stripe. these are people who are from districts where they've
ago. >> and paul ryan endorsed it. >> paul ryan endorsed it and that was in ryan's plan. thanks, guys. >> there was another surprise coming out of washington today. the unexpected resignation of ep achieve lisa jackson. why is she lng now? is this good news for coal miners, frackers and the keystone pipeline and we're about to get more on that story just ahead. >> don't forget, free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity and not crushing regulations. the kudlow report is coming right back. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. this is how mommy learned... ...and now... you! [ giggles ] ♪ the one and only, cheerios >>> breaking news now. the associated press reporting that retired general norman schwarzkopf one of th
. its agenda has been embraced by the leadership. the chairman of the budget committee, paul ryan, very able member is the archetype of that agenda, which should make every tea party are very happy. so it's indistinguishable and date in no way to provide cover for all those moderate who want to do the right being. i don't think said people exist in the republican party. listen, the answer is grover norquist no new tax pledge. that alone would free the republican party to engage in good faith, sensitive negotiations. everybody knows that our taxes are now at an historic low in the contemporary era and they're going to go out sort of naturally. and with the aging of the population, i guarantee you will be somewhere around 22% gdp. wouldn't it be nice if we could acknowledge that and say what's the most bowl, efficient way to structure a tax system, probably progressive consumption tax direct it in ways to accomplish a whole host of object is. as long as you have that pledge to which members signed, it's hopeless. the republican party cannot be a player in any constructive resolution of th
believe not only did mitt romney stand up but also paul ryan and several hispanics did an excellent job to present a conservative reason to oust president obama. >> nobody remembers the flap over god was going to be on the platform. clint eastwood got all the attention. >> there is a certain rule here. republicans to have learn it. if the whole essence is a tightly choreographed event, then you do that. you put things to help you better, rubio was terrific and videos of the families, those were moving and nobody saw them because they were in the wrong hour, in the middle of it. don't say to clint eastwood, don't go out and wing it. there has been considerable cottage industry of finger pointing. most of loyal campaign ads are blaming romney himself. >> i it was struck by tom hamburger's piece that called the campaign campaign malpractice. there were so many mistakes it was obvious to the press. the republicans kept saying it was media bias but it was badly run campaign and the voters should showed it was clear. >> when he wee got to the debates, they had to thumb on one side, memorable
be applied only to handguns. but if president romney had had the opportunity or president paul ryan in a few years gets the opportunity to appoint justices to the supreme court, that could be expanded. the limits of the second amendment are not clear at this point. the supreme court has not really spoken on it. that's one of the reasons why it's so important, who appoints whom to the supreme court. >> at what point is gun violence in america a public health threat, right? you talk about the freedom, the freedoms we have in this country where the public health risk, 30 some thousand people killed every year. cdc says it's $38 billion, the cost of society of gun violence. >> what's so astonishing about the debate of gun violence, it's different from the '90s when i first started covering this issue. you have people arguing very seriously now that the way to stop or limit gun violence is to have more guns. give guns to teachers. give guns to security guards. more guns. that argument was too ridiculous to even be uttered in the '90s. now senators, governors are saying that's the way to protect m
will never be able to compete with famously fit congressman like wisconsin's paul ryan or illinois's aaron schock but he says that's not the goal. >> the end goal is to become healthier myself, and to prove to people at this stage of life that hey, we can all do it. >> glor: and no matter who many pounds he loses as a former auctioneer, will have no trouble keeping count. >> 85, 58, 90, 85, lost 85-- 85 pounds right here in the front row, 85 pounds. >> glor: impressive. very impressive. >> doesn't take much to keep you entertained. >> glor: still ahead, join the holiday sing along. no audition required. [ male announcer ] the way it moves. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. our unique brush head cleans in three directions with up to 50% more brush movements than leading sonic technology. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers. without freshly-made pasta. you could also cut corners by making it without 100% real cheddar cheese. avery fisher hall stouffer's mac & cheese. just one of over 70 satisfying recipes for one from
there and people are floating of paul ryan to be house speaker. but ryan did support, i believe, plan b, did he not? >> yes. and, you know what, laura? you are always going to hear that type of rumblings. in the middle of this disaster, which is, you know, this discussion over nothing, basically, unless we get real spending cuts. you are going to hear speaker boehner should go. unless there is a massive movement afoot. massive. he will not be voted out. it is kind of like who is going to get out there on the cliff first, right? because you want those committee assignments. and if you go against the speaker and the speaker stays, you are going to be stripped of all those precious committee assignments where you get your power as a congressman or woman. so i don't think that's going to happen. >> going to get the goodies you are not going to do the right thing. >> that's right. >> bad washington situation and it's really shameful if that's what it is. look, nothing is going to get done if it's not happening. >> that's the way it is. >> we need new leadership. at least need new people at the table. th
leave the guidance system off. >> previously, you mentioned the surprised that mitt romney chose paul ryan as a running mate. who did you think he would pick? >> good question. i thought tim pawlenty. running in these national races is really hard. i remember the day that -- we were leaving denver after the convention and we learned that, on the airplane, mccain had chosen sarah palin. so went to the front of the airplane to senator obama and senator biden had been newly selected as his running mate. he said i think i am reasonably smart. it took me like six months to figure out how to be a presidential candidate, how to deal with the stop light, how to -- the spotlight, how to deal with the national politics. she may be the smartest politician ever and she may be able to come out of alaska to handle all of this. but i will give her three weeks. three weeks to the day, she did her interview with katie couric, which effectively ended it for her. [laughter] i thought that they might make a conservative choice, someone who had at least a taste of the national stage or, which was more of
. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. >> how many moments are there in an hour and a half? the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, panicking his supporters and providing an opening for romney. and finally the top three moments of the election best described as history-making politics. >> a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care. consider what would have happened on the campaign trail if the high court had struck down the president's signature first-term achievement. >> at a certain point, i have concluded that for e me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> the first president to endorse same-sex marriage. good politics aimed at the base and most certainly history. >> and finally the number one political moment of the year is easy during elections. >> cnn projects that barack obama will be reelected president of the united states. >> we are greater than the sum of
romney when he was talking about the 47%, like paul ryan when he was talking about makers versus takers there are an awful lot of folks in congress that folks are unemployed because they want to be unemployed, because they're lazy or something like that. it's simply false. i hate 20 go too far on a holiday metaphor, but if you go back and you read charles dickens, you see where the two gentlemen come to visit ebenezer scrooge on christmas eve and suggest to him that he might want to give a little to
security. so they propose and saw the same scenario when paul ryan put the budget out and because the american people rejected the kind of draconian cuts that the republicans want to make so, you know, that's a nonstarter in the senate. i think it's a nonstarter with the president. sure can pass the house but going nowhere past that. >> the smaller offer we hear that the president is making at 3:00, to congressional leadership, what kind of offer would you like to see the president make? >> well, there was some rumblings i think an hour ago that there was a -- something brewing i think in the senate that had a $400,000 threshold, that was i think a ten-year duration and also dealt with unemployment benefits and kept the estate tax from going back to 55% with a small exemption. i think that's the deal that democrats in the house would overwhelmingly support. i think the president would probably go along with that. again, the only question then would be whether speaker boehner allows that plan to come to the house floor knowing it wouldn't get a majority of republican votes. >> the
of right where people like paul ryan are yeah, we'll go along with that while raising spending on defense. so john boehner put the entire ideological kit bag of the republican party on display, and they couldn't even vote for that. at the end of the day, at the end of the day, now they're going to get nothing. because all the taxes will go up after the fiscal cliff. >> but hold on, because i think you're being too triumphant about this. the truth is you're right. democrats right now are probably winning the fight on taxes. >> definitely. >> but you know what? but the truth is the republicans are winning the fight on spending. because you know what is going to happen on january 1st? we're going to get that sequester. and i guarantee you, liberals are going to scream bloody murder about the cuts. the cuts are very significant. >> how harmless in the sequester are all of the entitlement programs. defense is going to get a $500 billion cut. >> that's true. i hate to see it. >> you know what? that actually is the only way you're ever going to cut defense. and they held harmless to most america
. today is fiscal fiesta! woo! will we see paul ryan racing for the bathroom? >> i kind of like krystal's. she was channelling michelle obama. got on the couch for -- meeting of the souls there. >> a special moment. i have to tell you. >> i also have some questions, like who's running? and be specific. >> do they double down or walk it back? >> people will be watching for the doubling down, walking back. >> or walking back. >> answers are in and this krystal ball is on a roll. see what i did there? >> today for look in to the crystal ball. >> you went there. >> that's the lovely cohost name and likes to point out. no, the parents were not hippies. >> i want to say that barack obama should win. >> why do you think barack obama should win? >> because he takes good care of us. >> what's wrong with mitt romney? is he mean to animals? i swear, she really did ask me that. four years from now, i'll be back and have to answer these questions and more all over again because i just learned that i'm expecting a new little politico next summer. maybe next time around, alec can explain it to her lit
is taken in the house for that on january 3rd. it would certainly mean a fight. you would have paul ryan, cantor saying, wait a minute, this guy forced a vote we didn't want to take, but that's what the president is trying to get boehner to do. give me a few republicans, says boim bhoim, i'll deliver democrats, i'll deliver senate and sign the bill and save 97% of americans from a tax hike. boehner might not be able to do it or might refuse to do it. that's the next step in this process. >> fascinating and perhaps unfortunate scenario. steve handelsman, thank you. >>> a group of democrats along with regular citizens took a shot at republicans today with their own symbolic ball drop outside the u.s. capitol, the group trying to send republicans a message to not on their words drop the ball on the middle class when it comes to offer tax breaks. >>> breaking news this evening in the murder of a capitol hill man shot in his car early monday morning. d.c. police have just released this video of two persons of interest. it is surveillance video from a nearby school. it's not known whether it w
states in an exchange he had with paul ryan back in 2010 said the last thing you want to do when the economy is struggling to sort of gain ground is to raise taxes and he said to cut spending. i don't agree with him necessarily on the spending although i would have done it more gradually. but the president of the united states made the case i thought rather convincingly you don't want to raise taxes because in his words it would kill jobs and hurt businesses. that president who made that argument then certainly seems to believe something pretty close to the opposite now. adam: doug, you get the last word. are we going off the cliff or not? >> we are going off the cliff. it is large, the budget control act of 2011. it is too late but i think future taxes, if we get spending under control, future taxes will be discounted lower because we'll have a better budget backdrop. adam: sounds like we're going to revisit this entire issue after the first of the year and when the new congress gets in place. steve hayes, jeffrey cleveland, doug cote tee, thanks for joining us on melissa franci
how that has played out for politicians liking to vault themselves onto the national stage. >>> paul ryan, what do we expect from him in 2013? >> obviously not where he would want to be, back in the house of representatives, not in the west wing helping to lead the country, but he's not going to fall back into the shadows. he's already continued to prove himself on the fiscal cliff as a key negotiator as somebody who john boehner is talking to -- >> ashley judd? >> what would this list be without star-studded powder. ashley judd is one that a lot of democrats are hoping could run against senate minority leader for mitch mcconnell. she's a main power, a fund-raising machine and eighth-generation kentuckyian who could take on mcconnell in his own state. >> probably watching that state today. a business kentucky fan. >>> for all the 13 to watch, we're putting a link to the article on our website. log-on. that's there as well as a whole lot more. >>> thomas roberts is up next. thomas, good to see you, i see it's a gray suit day. >> i got the memo. >>> next hour getting your driving gear
. the third is a guy you may have heard of from wisconsin paul ryan, romney's running mate and they sort of represent the youth movement and there are a lot of people and boehner in boehner's world who don't trust mccarthy because he is very close to cantor. this is the kind of thing washingtonians built up to a frenzy over but the reality is there is not day-to-day parliamentary and more often than not they walk walk in lockstep but certainly there've been moments that stand up being one of them where you could see separate dynamics taking place between cancer and boehner that had them both looking over their shoulder. >> you mentioned paul ryan and i can go on without asking you about him and in the role that he has played in this congress and the degree to which his celebrity has embraced by the republicans who are as ambitious as he. he was the one who kind of got out in rows of the others and as mitt romney's running mate. everyone in the republican ranks happy to see him there and is there any resentment of of him clinics do they respect him as much for his brain and his ability wi
that he's a republican. >> number four rivalry, paul ryan versus marco rubio, the republican party already making jokes about 2016. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. we must speak to the aspirations and anxieties of every american. >> one of the fundamental challenges before us is to find an appropriate and sustainable role for government. and closing that gap between the dreams of millions of americans and the opportunities for them to realize them. >> now, that was the jack kemp dinner, they were joking about seeing each other at diners in iowa. both making conscious plays to have the gop reach out to the middle class, reach out beyond their base, the repudiation of mitt romney. are they on a collision course? >> this is a rivalry welcome. i mean, bring it on! this is what the republican party needs. >> the real battle will be rubio/ted cruz because they want to say i can lock up latinos. cruz, he's a texan, he's going to come in slinging. he's going to walk in and say, marco, you're not the only hot hispanic. >> they're both trying to craft this
and proposed by paul ryan and his budget. >> the whole reason this happened is the fiscal cliff that we are facing the fiscal cliff was supposedly because what the two sides couldn't agree to in 2011 they would make it so horrible that they would have to do something. now, they can't do anything big. we are not even sure tonight whether it would be something small to get through the fiscal cliff. >> sean: i think the president ought to fly to hawaii to play rounds 108, 109, 110. bill cunningham is a scratch golfer. i don't think he has played that many rounds in a year, have you? >> sean hannity we have is gone over the cliff. we are in the gully. $16.4 trillion of debt on top of us and obama says let's add 4 or are 5 trillion more. we have gone over the cliff already. >> sean: thank you both on what we are are calling america on the brink. the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then se
say this and if you are paul ryan, you say come on, that doesn't make any difference. it doesn't make much of a difference, but it's very enraging. the other thing really important is regulation of those industries for the whole industry is based on what is the regulatory framework and most physically, finance. if you want to talk about was the greatest ripoff. the middle class around the world. it was the regulatory failure leading to 2008 and it didn't have to be like that. i don't want to sound like canada is a perfect country in the world because there's very many problems. the one thing, which is a great counterexample and shows you can have a normal, civilized western economy, live like a normal person and still regulate increases canada. canada did not have a crisis even though the rest of the world did just because canadian government and regulator said no to their banks. it was interesting, canadian finance minister said we were so out of step but i went to beijing and the chinese said canadians coming or bank regulation is so conservative. it is absurd. here i am a tory and
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